Naruto 490 by Sleepyfans
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マダラ『… 手を組みたいだと…
お前と組んでオレに何の得がある?』
カブト『近々戦争を起こすそうだね その戦力の提供しようって事さ』
カブトの提案の真意は…!?
490 九尾の真実!!
カブト『ここにある イタチ サソリ デイダラ カクズ そして…ナガト
どれも強者揃いだ… それに… ボクの持ってる駒はこれだけじゃない』
マダラ『見返りは?』
カブト『うちはサスケ …』
マダラ『… 何を企んでる?』
カブト『…別に何も… ボクの興味は忍術の純粋な心理
その探求のためにはサスケくんが必要なだけ 生きた若くて繊細な
うちはの人間が欲しいイ』
マダラ『… …断ると言ったら?』
カブト『…』(口寄せ 穢土転生!!)
棺が1個出てくる
マダラ『…!? こ…これは!!』
棺の中身は見えない
カブト『ボクが何の手札もなく君に会いにくるとでも? そおう… 君は断れない!』
マダラ『キサマ… それをどこで手に入れた!?』
カブト『色々とね… …安心していいよ これは誰にも喋ってない』
マダラ『… フッ…フフフ…』
カブト『何かおかしいことでも?』
マダラ『薬師カブト お前がここまでの器になるとはな…思ってもみなかった
…今お前と揉めてもこちらの戦力が低下するだけ… この機を狙ってここへ来るとは…
用意周到な奴だ』
カブト『という事は?』
マダラ『いいだろう 手を組んでやる …ただし
サスケを渡すのは戦争の成果を上げてからだ …それまでサスケには会わせない
それから監視も付けさせてもらう』
カブト『物分かりのいい方だ さすがは うちはマダラ… 器が違う』
マダラ『… 生意気な奴だ… …お前の持つ戦力を確認してから作戦を練り直す…
ついてこい』
カブト、意味ありげ??に口元が笑う。
マダラ後ろ向きながら、カブト確認
見えなかった棺が閉まる。
死体を見て
木の葉上忍A『こんな偏狭な地にわざわざ死体を…
倒れている忍の流れからして この先に何かあるのは間違いない』
木の葉上人B『罠では?』
木の葉上忍A『どうします?』
アンコ『トクマ! 2時の方向白眼だ』
トクマ『ハッ!』(白眼!!)
森の中を歩くカブト マダラ
トクマ『みたらし隊長 …これは』
アンコ『どうした?』
トクマ『カブトだけじゃない!…”暁”の仮面の男も一緒です!!
地下らしき入口に二人して入っていきます!』
アンコ『なんだと!?』
上忍A『って事はマダラと名乗っている"暁”の男… それもアジトか!?』
上忍B『そいつとカブトがなぜ一緒にいる?』
上忍A『手を組んだのか?』
アンコ『カブトはわざと私達をここへ導いたのか? マダラのアジトを知らせるため…』
上忍B『しかし奴らが手をくんだとしたら何故』
アンコ『今はわからない… とにかくすぐにこの事を里へ知らせる!』
フカサク『どうしたんなら!?はよ蔵入りの印を押せ!』
ナルト『…』
蔵蛙『不安なんじゃなナルト… …まあ無理もねーの』
フカサク『何なん?』
蔵蛙『フカサク様…九尾の力ゆーのは ”九尾のチャクラ”と”九尾の意志”の二つが合わさってできとんじゃ
九尾の力をコントロールするゆー事は その九尾チャクラの方だけ引き出して
自分のチャクラに変えて己の力にする事なんじゃ
じゃあけどそう簡単なもんじゃねえ… 九尾のチャクラを引きだしたら九尾の意志もついて来る
九尾の意志ってのは憎しみの塊で 強い力でチャクラと結びついて来るんじゃ
どんだけ自分を強く保っても 心のどこかにある憎しみと結びつこうとして心を乗っ取ってくる
つまりじゃ 九尾の力をコントロールするゆーんは九尾の意志と九尾のチャクラ…
この二つを憎しみのない強い意志で完璧に分離する事を言うんじゃ
四代目は九尾封印の檻から ほんの少し漏れ出すチャクラの上澄みがナルトのチャクラに自然となるよう
封印式を組んどった じゃがこの鍵を使えば四象封印を開け 九尾のチャクラ全てを引き出せる…!』
フカサク『ほんなら… 九尾のチャクラ全てに九尾の意志が全てついてきて――』
蔵蛙『その九尾の意志にナルトの意志が負けた時点で――
九尾が完全に 復活する!!』
フカサク『… 今まで鍵を開けた事はあるんかいな?』
蔵蛙『実は四象封印が弱まりつつあって 修行中勝手に九尾化を始めたナルトを抑えるため
鍵を使って封印を閉めたんじゃが…
封印がゆるゆるでの… またいつ九尾化するかもわからなかった
そこでジライヤは わざと鍵で封印を ほんの少しの間開けてのう…
ナルトに九尾の意志に対抗する力をつけさせコントロールさせようとしたんじゃ…
ま…失敗じゃったけどな』
フカサク『それからはどうなったんじゃ?』
蔵蛙『うまくはいっとらん』
ナルト『…確かに昔 大蛇丸とやった時は自分から九尾の力に頼って自分の意志を預ける事になっちまった
サスケの事言われてカッとなっちまって… すぐにでも大蛇丸をやっつけたくてよ
そのせいでサクちゃん傷つけて… ヤマト隊長は九尾のチャクラに頼るんじゃなくて自分の力で戦えって言った
人柱力抑えるヤマト隊長に見守られての修行ならともかく 戦いでは憎しみの気持ちが常についてくっから
だからもう九尾の力はいらねエと思った
それに自分の意志で九尾の意志を抑え込むなんてできるわけねーと思ってたし…
けどヒナタがペインにやられた時も…憎くて くやしくて…使わねーどころか…
自分の心が勝手に九尾の意志と簡単につながっちまった
今は四代目に封印を組みなおしてもらったからまだ安心だけど またいつ暴走するか分からねエ…
… だけど… サスケと戦うためにゃ九尾のチャクラが必要だ
結局オレは九尾の人柱力だ 本当はいつまでも逃げてらんねエ』
四代目(お前に九尾のチャクラを半分にして封印したのは この力を使いこなすと信じていたからだ…)
ナルト、印を押す
ナルト(うじうじしたって仕方ねーってばよ コントロール…キッチリやってやんぜ父ちゃん!)
蔵蛙『契約成立じゃ!蔵入りする!』
フカサク『さあまずはタコ探しじゃな!』
雲隠れ戦争会議。
ビー自前のライム帳開き(韻が踏めてねーな …なんかいいフレーズがねーものか…)
シー『敵の本陣…アジトが明でないかぎり奇襲効果を上げるのは難しくなると思います
そこでまず偵察隊を編成します では――』
ビー(では…か… …濁点の部分を逆にして”てば”とかどうだ? さらにラップ風にノリを加えて
”てばヨー♪”)
キサメ(これで雲隠れの大体の戦力は分かりましたね… 八尾がバカで助かりました…)
ビー(ダメだなこのフレーズは… 何かむかつくっ…てばヨー♪
やっぱ無いな)
シー『…とこのようにまとまります 雷影様…』
雷影『よし!三日後には忍連合軍の連合会議を開く!各里へ召集連絡だア!!』
タコ探し…の前に戦争勃発!?
終わり★サーセイ
ビーとナルト喧嘩から入りそうだね。
そして棺の中身は。。。マダラ?な気がしてならない。
カブトのニヤリ笑いが。。。
Original script:
飲んでたw
カブト 私の目的はうちはサスケ君です~
マダラ 断ったらどうする?
カブトがさらにエドテンセイ(棺の中は見えない様にうまく書かれてる)
マダラ こ…これは…お前これをどこで手に入れた
カブト 私があなたが絶対に断れない~なんちゃら~w
マダラ いいだろうサスケは戦争が終わったら~それまではサスケと会わせない~
監視もつけさせるけどそれでいいか~
カブトとマダラが手を組むことに
ナルトへ 九尾関連の事
最後に 雷の国で会議を盗み聞きするキサメさん
キサメ これで雷の現在の軍事力などわかった~
で終わりです 棺の中はマダラの遺体とかなんかね~
パラ見。
カブトは凄いね。
ビーは、戦争会議の内容聞かずライムを考えてる。
ナルトは、手形押すのためらうけど
サスケと戦うためには必要と考え手形押す。
Chinese script:
兜: 目标是佐助
斑: 可以拒绝?
兜再次秽土转生 (看不見棺里)
斑在看到棺里的人,
后说佐助的话,战争结束之后可以,
在那之前不会让你与佐助见面,
两人联手
鸣人那边,是在谈九尾相关的事
鬼鲛在雷之国窃听会议
鬼鲛: 得知了雷之国现在的军事力量~
English script by Akoftroy:
Kabuto: My goal is Sasuke-kun.
Madara: And what if I refuse?
Kabuto uses Edo Tensei to summon another coffin. The art is obscured so we can't see who's in it.
Madara: T-this is... How did you get this?!
Kabuto: This means there's no way you can refuse me.
Madara: Fine, you can have Sasuke after the war is over. Until then I won't let you see him and you will be watched. Is that okay?
Kabuto and Madara join forces.
Scene shifts to Naruto and talk about Kyubi.
Ends with Kisame spying on the Kumo meetings.
Kisame: Now we know Kumo's current military strength.
More by Pokeballs
Kabuto is pretty awesome.
Bee thinks of rhymes without listening to the details of the war meeting.
Naruto is hesitant to put his hand print, but he does, thinking it's important for fighting Sasuke.
(TN: I'm thinking the hand print is for opening the key for the Kyuubi seal.)
Dialogue part by On3word
Madara: ...you want to join forces?...What do I gain from teaming up with someone like you?
Kabuto: War is upon us. I offer you military strength.
What's the true motivation behind Kabuto's proposal...!?
490: The Truth of the Kyubi!!
Kabuto: Here is Itachi, Sasori, Deidara, Kakuzu, and...Nagato. A truly powerful group...Moreover...these aren't the only Koma* I possess.
[*TN: Koma is a Shogi piece]
Madara: What's the collateral?
Kabuto: Uchiha Sasuke...
Madara: ...What are you plotting?
Kabuto: ...Nothing really...My interest is purely in ninjutsu. For that purpose I will need Sasuke-kun. I want a live, young, fine Uchiha for this.
Madara: ...And if I were to refuse?
Kabuto: ... (Kuchiyose Edo Tensei!!)
One casket appears.
Madara: ...!? Th..this is!!
You can't see the body inside the casket.
Kabuto: Do you think I would come here to meet you without a hand like this? That's right...you can't refuse!
Madara: You...where did you get that!?
Kabuto: It doesn't matter...don't worry though, I haven't told anyone else about this.
Madara: ...Ha..haha....
Kabuto: Is something funny?
MadaraL Yakushi Kabuto, the vessel you've become...it's different than how I would've imagined it...Even if I disagree with you, my military power is only dropping...You took advantage of that and came here...you're a carefully strategic guy.
Kabuto: What are you saying?
Madara: Fine, I'll join forces with you....But, Sasuke won't be handed over until the results of the war have been decided...until then, you are not to meet with Sasuke. Also, I will have you guard and observe as well.
Kabuto: Such an understanding person. As I thought, Uchiha Madara...though the vessel is different.
Madara: ...You're an impertinent one...you've shown your military power, now use that to devise a plan to work over...follow me.
Kabuto, what's the meaning of this?? From the shape of his mouth, it seems he's smiling.
Kabuto follows behind Madara.
The casket we were unable to see closes.
No new arrivals.
Looking at the dead bodies.
Konoha Jounin A: For all these corpses in a small, narrow space...this trail of fallen shinobi, there's no mistaking what's ahead.
Konoha Jounin B: And the trap?
Konoha Jounin A: What should we do?
Anko: Tokuma! Use your Byakugan 2 o' clock from here.
Tokuma: On it! (Byakugan!!)
Kabuto and Madara are walking in the middle of a forrest.
Tokuma: Captain Mitarashi...this is
Anko: What is it?
Tokuma: It's not just Kabuto!...Akatsuki's masked man is with him too!! The two just took an entrance underground!
Anko: What did you say!?
Jounin A: He's the one who's been going under the name of Madara in Akatsuki...Is this their hideout!?
Jounin B: Why the heck is he with Kabuto?
Jounin A: Have they joined forces?
Anko: Has Kabuto purposefully led us here? To reveal to us Madara's hideout...
Jounin B: But why, if they joined forces?
Anko: I don't know...Anyway, we must take this information to the village!
Fukasaku: What's wrong!? Press on the seal of the scroll!
Naruto: ...
Scroll Frog: Are you afraid Naruto...well, this is pointless then.
Fukusaku: So what?
Scroll Frog: Fukusaku-sama...the Kyubi's strength -- the Kyubi's chakra and will -- it is possible to unite those. It's the power to control the Kyubi. In order to draw out the Kyubi's chakra, one must change his chakra to make it their own strength. But it's not that simple...by drawing his chakra, you draw out the Kyubi's will as well. The Kyubi's will is that of a hateful demon with tremendous power and chakra. And even if it guarantee's strength, the heart of it's wielder will soon be consumed by this hate. In short, to control the Kyubi, you must take both the will and the chakra of the Kyubi, and completely separate this hate from it's will and chakra.
From the 4th's seal, some chakra has already been able to leak naturally onto Naruto. So with this key, you can fully release the seal and draw on all of the Kyubi's chakra.
Fukusaku: If that's true...the Kyubi's chakra will consume everything in and with that, its will.
Scrol Frog: If Naruto's will loses to that of the Kyubi's, the Kyubi will restore itself completely.
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w drinking
out My goal is your Kabuto Sasuke-
Madara we declined to do?
More Edotensei beetle (written in the coffin I like to see better)
spotted this ... this ... you got it where
you absolutely refuse to give a what-I ~ w beetle
spotted Iida After the war Deaf Sasuke - Sasuke and to meet it - not
that good but you also have someone monitoring -
to join hands, saying that beetle
-related things to Kyuubi Naruto
Lightning last meeting in the country Kisame's listen in
and found the current military strength in this lightning-Kisame
is in the coffin of a dead end with the Spotted or anything - I
from google. hehe
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3rd!! first time man!
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4th
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please someone kindly translate this!!! cant wait!
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Need it in English please..
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I have never been here so soon after the spoiler is released ... but it would help if there was at least a picture ..
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whoa wait a moment... Tobi is actually scared of what Kabuto summon... i only have two things... two Legends who scared the shit out of Tobi...
1- SO6P <<< im very sure.
2- Madara himself.
lets hope the chapter is good like the previews one :)
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@ orlie its madara! :)
sabby2013~!
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Hi Orlie!
Can you please tell me who SO6P is... not sure about that abbreviation.
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tobi is scared chil hahah :)
sabby2013~!
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hell yeah this is gr8 chapter cos things are moving now
and now we all know tobi is jsut using him..and every thing tobi tell sasuke is lie now its proved now point in discussing this now! :P
i said this cos some people still think its gr8 honorable madara oh come on
sabby2013~!
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@8
or the 1.Hokage
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cant be so6p no way
if it was so6p why would he want sasuke afterwards? lol
sabby2013~!
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Minato in coffin! Obitos old sensei. :)
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lol people syill scared of me? haha
ok later then!
sabby2013..~!
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hi Tsunade and Sabby! :)
Tsunade is Sage of Six Paths his other name is Rikudou the sage.
sabby lol i dunno man.. could be one of the two but im more sure of SO6P = tobi scared like hell cuz no one cold beat him we all know that...
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@ 15 no way minato!
no way!!!!!!! if that happens this manga would end >.>
sabby2013..!
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I wonder what Kabuto wants with Sasuke?
To destroy him, or use him for "parts" ....
very strange.
I noticed that Narouto will meet the eight tails first before he goes up against ... and now that he has the key to the Kuuibe seal, he will directly gain power from that as well as perfect "that jutsu" (any one know what they are referring to?)
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Grácio M
Its small awwwwww
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@ orlie lol
i think when he would see madara he would be more afraid cos his all plans would fall!
sabby2013...~!
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@15
can be posible as well! since the one who stop "tobi" not "madara" cuz Minato didnt say "madara" was Minato himself 16 years ago... the one who screw Tobi's plans...
but still... minato was gona be summoned in sandaime vs oro's fight so it wouldnt be a surspise really and i want that for naruto lol but he can be the third person!
1- SO6P
2- Madara
3- Minato
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kabuto probably needs a living body to take over.
The summons are most likely one of:
1. s06p
2. madara
3. 1st hokage
But the first hokages power was largely based on the control of the chakra beasts which arent available for him to use now, meaning he isnt the power he would have been at his peak (his soul may not even be available to summon). So its probably one of the first 2. I see no reason why it cant be s06p.
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sabby
exaclty my tho man just exactly! lol
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Its probably the 1st hokage
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hmm do u guys think sasuke with ems...can be beaten by kabuto? hmmm i dont think so
more offsasuke is kishi's fav this is fishy! lol
sabby2013`!
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good call on minato. Not sure if thats an instant surrender from tobi though. I think minato is probably third most likely as orlie lists.
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hmmm
so ppeople dont remeber me :) cool!
those who know me dont be afraid im no longer obsessed to big numbers lmao :P
hey 1 thing he cannot summon 1st hokage its already sealed so forget it
and minato summoning is against the story...:)
sabby2013~!
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The salamander dude who pain took out would be a worthy summon also. Or how about zombie jariya!!
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lol cya later all
school days now :(
and it sucks but its last year in school so this way it sucks even more lol
sabby2013~~!
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Oh man,
now i am really angry,
i want very badly to know who this guy is, and see how naruto talk to kyubi or i want to see how naruto trains, like the story with sage mode...
i cant wait, i hate this,
why naruto comes weekly???
does somebody know of you
richiesvw11
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its fucking madaraaaa self!!!!!!!!!1
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@14
What kabuto wants is to kill sasuke.
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its cant be the 1st hokage his soul in traped by the reaper death seal and so is the 2nds
it could be sop6 but im really hoping it is the real madara
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@28
Why minato summoning is against the story?
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to orlie
by Enoc
I think is SO6P
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who the heck is s06p? -.-'
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be back later... having problems to post >.<
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THE REAL MADARA IS IN THE COFFIN!!
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@Pluke
SO6P=Sage of Six Paths = Rikudou= the sage who got the rinnegan the same sage who seal the Jubi :)
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cool i can post normal again :)
well i see lots of ppl are pointing at Madara.. it would be prety choking and would be cool as well... madara in front of tobi.
since SO6P would be "Imposible" to beat in my opinion lol only way is get kabuto ASAP.
but i will stick to my list.
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is not the 1 hokage , his soul is in the jutsu that the 3 hokage did when he was fighting oroshimaru , the demon eat his soul.
I think is SO6P
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@ppl
IN THE COFFIN IS TOBIS MOTHER
TOBINIA
SHE SAYS ALWAYS: I AM A GOOD GIRL :P
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IT IS MADARA's ZOMBIE !!!
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wow kabuto is really creapy!
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Remember if Kabuto summon MADARA
So all tobi`s Plan will fail
All Hail madara-sama
All hail kabuto-kun
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@masbule
yup, that can explain the reaction of tobi and madara was really strong as well so tobi could be scared like that cuz of that as well...
Minato... tobi reaction could also explain why he is like that minato stop tobi 16 years ago... tobi know he is not weak he is damn strong and so he could be surprise cuz of that as well...
SO6P... i dont evenn have to explain... everyone would be scared like shit to see that guy in front of them :)
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If naruto meets the eight tails and train kisasme will also know naruto strength and strategy there going to be trouble kisame will pass word to tobi.
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by Enoc
HE summon Chuck Norris.
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how can it be SO6P? if its true then naruto wudnt have any slightest chance of winning. how can naruto beat the guy who created the tail beast? also it wud be cruel if the 4th hokage being revive to fight naruto....sigh.
so my best bet is Uchiha Shisui or Uchiha Izuna.
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hello NICK how u doing bro? is been a while!
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i think the real madara would be a real plot twist ane be epic!!!!! cant wait to read this weeks issue i dont think madaras scared powerwise i think hes scared cos kabuto could ruin all of his plans for sasuke.
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What's up Orlie been busy but i'm on break now so i'm back lol how you been?
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@50
oh u got a point there... if tobi is really madara, that could also explain why tobi react like that... to see his little brother in front of him... but stilll the way he act is of "scared" not of "emotions" and i dont think tobi is more weak than shisui.
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Only four people Tobi would get that upset about.....
1. Sage of the 6 Paths
2. 1st Hokage
3. Madara Uchiha
4. Madara's little brother(would be a huge surprise)
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@NICK
no much man.. working and same stuff nothing have change but i see u are more busy now cuz ur work... hope everything is good :)
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i think madaras a damn good answer i think its manga 487 or 488 on the front cover it said that zetsu was the magicians assistant magicians play tricks on people so tobi taking the role of madara could b considered a magicians trick so he probs isnt madara
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It can't be the fourth or any hokage those guys were buried in the village and by the time the fourth became hokage orochinaru had already left and he only had the first dna.
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Yeah Orlie everything is good i haven't had the chance to read 3 weeks of manga i've only heard from my friends lol
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but Nick.. oro's summon the first the second and the fourth in sandaime's fight so it could be posible to be minato... but i dont want him to be revive now... i want him to be revive when naruto meet kabuto. it gona be a epic battle.
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@NICK
good to hear man lol well at least u still got info from ur friends so u aernt out lol
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@55
yea wat u say is possibly true but my guess its becuz of shisui mangekyou abilities to control people that feared tobi. if tobi have it then his plan is going to b awesome. anyway izzit shisui mangekyou or not?
well its still a wild guess lol
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@ 50
you said naruto have no chance against SO6P.
But nagato was stronger...
Konan said this. 6 Path are fpr six jutsus, and nagato had 7 wich goes over life and death, because of this nagato was able to bring all konohoppl, who died back to life.
or i am wrong?
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@63
i am it
richiesvw11
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@63
i think u are correct... also ppl are forgeting something... SO6P was super string after he got the Jubi he got "Super Human" strenght... he was string before as well of corse lol he is the father of all ninjas but nagato got that same power as well "rinnegan" and naruto still beat him but there is one problem... naruto beat nagato with words nagato was actually a good person...
but what about zoombie SO6P? he is been controlled he aimimg to kill lol
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i mean super strong* not string lol
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@ ORLIE
Yeah man bu like you said it can't the first or second,because they were sealed by the third,but i don't see why people keep mentioning shinsui true his eyes could control people but remember they were also taken by danzou,i don't know orochimaru had found the first dna since it was so long ago but madara that's kinda impossible no one had found his body the didn't know if he was buried or not so i don't think it's him.
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@65
if SO6P is really strong, maybe he can break taht he is controlled.
but i think SO6P is a good person too, because he had 2 sons, and he decided for the one you have wanted to bring peace with love, and how you know naruto is love. his charakter i mean..
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@NICK
remember that u only need the "Soul" of that person, u dont need the body... u only need to sacrifice a "Human" body and call the soul of the person u want to revive into that Human body... and so the human body take the shape of the Soul person who is been resurected...
example... deidara blow to pieces but he got resurected :)
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@ 65
Remember the path had the 10th tails also that made him kinda unbeatable.
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you said naruto have no chance against SO6P.
But nagato was stronger...
Konan said this. 6 Path are fpr six jutsus, and nagato had 7 wich goes over life and death, because of this nagato was able to bring all konohoppl, who died back to life.
or i am wrong?
You are wrong ;) In one of the chapters Nagato Says that his moon is nothing compare to moon said to be createed by SO6P not even mention that so6p was jubi host ;)
Beer for all from Poland ;)
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@63
emmm true nagato is powerful in naruto present world but SO6P is the creator of the tail beast and also the 1st ancestor of rinnegan which is the creator of all ninjutsu (im my wrong?). he can easily broke the seal and take the kyuubi from naruto...
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@67
yeah, this is true. but where did kabuto got kakuzus dna, kakuzus body was in konoha? and even nagatos dna???
can this jutsu be a ritual too, to find the soul and seal her in a body?
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@69
true
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@71
just of his he was able to do such a moon. because of jyubi, tobi said it too. he did the moon and then seal the body from jyubi there and the seperate it!
what do you think orlie, or i am really wrong, how that drunken polen guy said???
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what if it is the fourth hokage or the sage of the sixth path
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its probably madara's brother.
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@75
You dead on bro
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Tobi talk in how SO6P got Inhuman strengh... and that Inhuman strengh was thanks to Jubi... before the Jubi apear SO6P was like a nagato if u ask me... a ninja with rinnegan who got all jutsus just like nagato...
but on second tho and ppl tell me if im wrong... SO6P created the Moon "before" he was jubi host no?
if that is the case then SO6P is stronger than Nagato.
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Even if this the six path he longer the host which give naruto the nine tails powers naruto would still stand a chance.
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@80
that true naruto still have that Jubi power on him.
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maybe it's no one we know of yet and it's some one who knows the real truth about madara it would give kishi a chance to bring in a new character. does anyone else think kishi needs to make a goodguy on equal terms with sasuke because no good guy characters are. kakashi should be better but for somereason kishi made him loose to sasuke even though sasuke was exhausted and beaten up and stabbed by danzo it was a poor fight on kishi's and kakashi's part naruto said that sasukes stronger than him aswell so who do you think could become as powerful as sasuke???
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@ 71 here's the link
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_of_the_Six_Paths
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was it mentioned that the third coffin during oro & 3rd's fight was of 4th.
i am curious cause since he used the death reaper seal his soul should be trapped inside the belly of the reaper.
if bringing him is posible it can even be 3rd or for a surprise oro himself.well just kidding.
i think madara is not feared of the persons strength but either he is emotionally attached or that person can ruin his plans(like true madara)
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Jay
sandaime did say it was the minato... also remember that halk of his soul is on naruto so he can been summoned... :)
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half no halk* lol
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You all talk about getting ppls DNA, but it is nowhere mentioned that Edo Tensei would require a persons dna, all that is stated so far is that you need a human sacrifice to summon the dead persons soul into that host body.
It is not stated that it requires DNA samples.
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ok u guys can ignored me if u want to lol i dont care! :) lol
if my theory is correct and tobi is actually obito... that could explain the reaction as well? see his sensei minato alive again?
no need to answer i just want to post it :)
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Personally there is no reason to bring the fourth back as a zombie,i was wondering why did the third said he had to stop the third coffin at all cost. When he fighting orochimaru was it because of his power and we know he was stronger then the previous ones why kakashi stated every new generation will surpass the old one.So i'm guessing the fourth was stronger then all the previous.
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but what i wonder is "How did u get this"... like if is something that is not supose to be summoned.
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@ 88
Hell yeah you are right my man.
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@Nick
lol thanks bro, but still... the words "how did u get this" can also mean another thing... kabuto summon some one that can be still alive? or something prohibited?
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hi everybody, with this spoiler i came to my mind something that would be a twist, what if tobi/madara is not actually the real madara, but his brother!! i mean it could happened that madara really took his eyes, but left him alive, then he died in the fight with the 1st hokage. after that his brother took his eyes back and has been impersonating his brother madara who was more powerful than him, and now that kabuto has summon him hes scared of the real madara. sorry if the english is somehow bad, i havent practiced it in a long time
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THE WAR IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN MY DUDES!!! :)
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@93
u got a good point as well, but there is still something wrong here, unless kishi explain later... and is about the "age"... tobi look very young and Izuna is supose to have the same age as madara, and 100 years old guy. :)
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@94
haha yeah cant wait to see how this war gona be!... the war of OP was very cool! i hope the war of naruto is better!
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Orlie, age doesnt really matter for their looks. Remember how Sasori looked young :)
there are many techniques that fixes that. Look at tsunande ;)
But i am doubtful of the theories that so6p should be kabutos summon. He is a mythological figure that has been dead for ages. IF kabuto even managed to make countact with that soul and summon him, weird as it sounds - how could Tobi recognize him at first glance?
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I rather think it is someone that tobi knew personally.
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brb
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i think madara hasn't got his own body now... he's using someone elses (probably obito's) and kabuto somehow summoned his real body! since madara wants it back badly, they'll join forces.
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@ 99: who cares? that is just spamming to post something stupid as brb. comments like that makes this discussion lot more annoying to read. nobody cares if you go to the bathroom or if you die.
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@97
true... im just thinking in "Uchihas" abilities... not like...
Sasori = master of puppet... made a body of puppet for himself.
tsunade = master of medic and body knowledge... made a tech only she can do with her knowledge...
that my point... uchihas only are expert in his eyes and they cant copy keke genkai.
but it can be posible as well... i mean ur post :)
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@101
hmm that was out of line if u ask me... if u dont care then why replay? we are all here sharing our thoughs friendly there no need comments like that.
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Uchiha are not only masters of the eye - remember, they are a clan of elite genius ninja, experts of many kinds of jutsu. Anything could be possible in that regard :)
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@100
that what make me wonder in the "how did u get this?" if tobi is really madara in another body or whatever it could aslo explain his reaction...
as u know... man there are alot of posibilities here.
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@103: agreed. it sounds more harsh than i intended, i apologize.
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@104
hmmm from the very begining i only read that uchihas copy ninjutsus not kekegenkai and only use fire element and sasuke who use lighting aside from that i havent saw more than that since there is noting in the manga who tell us :)
just look at how sasuke is fighting right now... that is an uchiha power. "eyes"
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@106
thank you :) is really apreciated ur apology :)
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its jman guys. SO6P is out of league for kabutomaru.
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@105
yeah i judged by his reaction... because this would be one of the very few things someone like madara could be surprised about i guess
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but hell like i say, "Unless" kishi explain later on everything can be posible since we havent even saw everything tobi have and we dont even know who he is. :)
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@ 107: Yeah, but Itachis second element was water as well, so there have been some exceptions from their love for fire :)
And EMS might grant imortality as well - it is an "eternal" jutsu that promises "eternal light". Could that not mean eternal life as well? :)
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@109
oh but remember... Kabuto did say to tobi that he surpass nidaime and oro in this jutsu... maybe that is what he mean? he could summon so powerful shinobi?
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@112
oh i forgot the water element :)
hmm but tobi say he can die so i dont think he is immortal... i mean when he got burn by amaterasu.
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@107
true, but probably been something related to the EMS, i mean tobi has it, but we havent seen much of his power other than his space/time jutsu. probably depends on the uchiha who has it (i think sasuke is going to have an even more powerful and more badass susanoo with the EMS)
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ah but remember... itachi could use water element since uchihas can copy elements what they cant copy are keke genkai, and tsunade ability only can be made by her if im not mistaken, and oro's jutsu of immortality was a forbiden scroll he found.
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@115
i dont think he have the EMS... and wont believe he does till he show them really... we have only saw normal sharingan so far :)
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@ 116: Yeah, but what i meant was that there are many ways to alter your appearance; for instance there could be some sort of eternal genjutsu cloaking Tobi, altering his looks. That could well be within reach of the EMS powers. :)
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I think kabuto summoned madara's brother or the 6 path guys, forgot his name. seeing that madara got all worked up.
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@118
yup it can be posible for shinobis.
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So far there have been speculations of: Minato, SO6P, Izuna, Shisui, Madara (real), 1st Hokage.
Im thinking if there are any other guys than those stated above that could cause Tobis reaction. What do we know of him? The only thing is that he is somehow connected with Madara, and also that he has at some point been involved in the hidden village of Mist.
What if that person is the former Mizukage?
Another thing; you dont suspect it could be Orochimaru? He could be dangerous for Tobi, since Orochimary knows the secrets of many persons - he has also a vast knowledge of the Sharingan.
Or is it some long-forgotten Unchiha? Like... the fellow that was there when Nidaime died? Hmm... Uchiha Kagami?
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#Mr. Tyro#
kabut said that he has surpassed the previous "edo tensei" users. may be the new summon proves that he has surpassed them both, i mean The second hokage and orochimaru. This can be SO6P
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dude doesnt everyone think edo tensei has been kinda degraded now :/? like if he can bring anyone back and that easily he might as well raise his own uundead army and take over the world, they cant die remember, its kinda lame how he can just summon anything and anyone. but yeah my guess is it hase to be either the original uchiha madara, which is why madara cant refuse, if the original was to come it would prove everythng hes been saying mere lies. or rikouden but like rikouden cant doo much :/ hes lost the jyuubi and apart from tht hes kick ass powerful. but if it was just power why would kabuto need tobi? he could just kill tobi and then sasuke. so i think its most likely the original uchiha madara. its not the first hokage he was already bought back before, and then he was sealed with edo tensei so hes outta the picture. ahhhh i want more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sealed with shiki fuujin*
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i dont think we will find out who is for a long time im surprised no one is talking about this jutsu they are talking about with naruto i hope its not just perfecting the nine tails chakra i hope its a completley new jutsu not another add on to the rasengan he needs somthing completley new i think what about you guys what do you think?
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SuperChunky
yeah shodaime is out of this picture same nidaime... and yeah we need more spoilers but i rather wait the manga instead!
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@ 125: I dont think its just perfecting 9-tails chakra, i dont think that can be done before he reunites with his mother, that probably has the other half of the kyubi sealed within her.
I think the jutsu they are talking about is a perfected version of minatos space/time ninjutsu.
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orlie : i knowwww but i cant wait :P
@127: the second half of the chakra is not sealed inside his mother, the second half is sealed technically inside the death god (the big monster thing that appeared when the 3rd hokage used it) because of a technigue called shiki fuujin, you see the circle thingy on narutos stomach? thats shiki fuujin. the kanji around it is the four elephant seal.
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@127 i think your probably right :) i hope you are because that would be awsome itll be like the summoning jutsu he couldnt do it with his own chakra he needed the kyuubis so for this new jutsu he needs more of the kyubi this time. i think it will be because that jutsu will help him against ameratsu and the arrows of sasuno :)
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@128: Nah, i dont think so. I think the only person that fully understood shiki fuujin was minato, and even tho he taught the jutsu to hiruzen i suspect there is more to it than what we allready know. And i find it strange that narutos mother would dissapear, leaving her infant son behind with no mention of her wherabouts. I think she also was involved in the sealing and had to hide, to keep the dangerous part of kyubis chakra safe from naruto, in order to protect him.
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ANd also, how could Tobi hope to rebuild the Juybi if half of the Kyubi is out of reach, in the stomach of the death god? Nah, i think the other half is with narutos mother, makes more sense. Perhaps tobi allready have the mother as well.
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are you all telling me you think he needs all that chakra to learn space time jutsu? because then if it needed that much how would minato have done it? its not space-time (thought i wish it was :( ) its most likely some new technique weve never thought of, but im sure theres a clue somewhere in the past about it. maybe in narutos (uzumaki) name or minatos (namikaze)? both their names suggest hel learn another element (water but thts unlikely :/) . sage mode is fast and strong enough to deal with the arrows id say, its just amaterasu i think hel have problems with :/. by the way, anyone wonder if samehada can absorb unstable sage chakra?
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@130 . no no no doesnt matter how you put it or explain it, shiki fuujin was clearly explained when the 3rd used it. and again when jiraiya was talking to narutos seal. he split the kyuubi chakra into two, sealed the yin chakra with shiki fuujin and the yang inside naruto using the four elephant seal. now the technique states that the two sealed souls are both sealed inside the death god to fight for all eternity, but of course the seal can be undone. the key naruto has has the deatails for both the shiki fuujin and the four elephant seal. the reason i believe this is because when the third died, he also had the spiral shaped marking on his stomach similar to naruto, bt the kanji around it was different. this is why i say its sealed inside the deah god, but all the markings for it is on naruto. while the four elephant seal actually seals the yang chakra inside naruto. sorry if this is confusing :P im tired haha.
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I dont know if someone realise that the brother of the first hokage is Tobirama Senju(tobi) and i dont know if you realise but the first hokage its very similar with Tobi, maybe somehow the first get one sharingan like kakashi in the manga we only see one sharingan on tobi!!
Maybe the first use the short name off his brother and he have a sharingan and he is afraid that in the coffin appeares the real Mandara.
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although i do agree his mothers where abouts are yet to be revealed... i have this funny feeling it has something to do with the mizukage :P. but oh yeah heres the proof : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/12/ read for two pages.
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@134
u can take him out of the picture... first is dead... he was summon in sandaime vs oro fight... same with nidaime.
u can take out the ppl who are alrdy summon... that mean they are dead.
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it could be madara little brother
or it could be first or it could be madara himself becasue he did say hes a former self of him self and didnt madara want that jutsu nagato used on the village it could be oro or minato
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its the sage of six paths or minato
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Maybe he resummoned the First Hokage, Hoshirama.
As far as I know Madara he and Hoshirama were equals. And he even almost died and had to fake his death in defeat from the First.
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@orlie 47
I don't think it is the SO6P because naruto is the reincarnation of him :) so naruto is the SO6P, haven't you wondered why kishi never shows the SO6P's face?, it is because he is (was, will be, w/e) naruto.(just a theory, nothing too serious :P)
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@ENOC 49
you are wrong, Chuck Norries used kabuto to summon himself in naruto world.
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@140
i have it diferent... Naruto is the rencarnation of Youngest son of SO6P.
but man u telling this can make a epic surprise... SO6P face been esaclty like naruto's lol :)
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"that jutsu" that naruto is going to learn could be after he learns to fully control the kyubi and then after he learns to control the kyubi he is going to take the kyubis chakra and make a rasengan using the kyubis chakra only. It will be really condensed and small and he will be able to do it without turning into the kyubi.
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i think tobi is weak i think he can fight but not very well but he is smart kinda like shikamaru so hes decided to lie and say he is madara so that people wont challenge him but hes planing to take over sasukes body some how maybe like orochimaru did so he can obtain the mangekyo sharingan
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@orlie 88
YOUR theory about tobi = obito?, you were the first one to say that tobi was obito?
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Madara is not necessary scared, otherwise he wouldn't have put conditions on Sasuke. The threat seems to be information. Someone who knows something or Madara is not Madara. It is not a Hokage. It can only be someone who knows something about Madara.
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tobi isnt obito!!!!! that would not work obito was kind and willingly died to save kakashi theres no reason for him to go evil unless he is being used like a puppet which would lead to an entirely new story which would add even more confusion!!! lol
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@100
remember that the technique that kabuto used summons the SOULS, and it puts the souls in random bodies selected for the summon, kabuto's technique does NOT summons BODIES.
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@121
I think itachi trapped orochimaru in a genjutsu? so I don't know if orochimaru could be count as a dead person.
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@145
hello no lol ppl like me think tobi can be Obito but so far and i dont want to sound like the great thing... my Theory is the more detail and complete in this forum and even so it have holes...
but if im 100% sure in something is in all the details i have found in tobi/obito resembles.
@Nebla
Nagato was kind as well and he kill villages.
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i mean "Hell no!" lol
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but lets forget this tobi/obito stuff for now i dont want to bring problems just cuz the name... ppl get really mad...
tobi can be anyone till he take off the mask.
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i think tobi being obito can make perfect sense. if tobi is madara then sasuke is immortal. i mean like, wtf. and the whole so6p and the jubi is an extreme chiche. it probably doesn't exist. this year being kakashi's year would make perfect sense for tobi being obito. kakashi will go to try to confirm that tobi is madara and to exactly know what he's up to.
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@153
well to u make perfect sense to me as well but not to others ppl... they say he die in the rocks... we actually didnt see but we still dont know... to me he is pretty alive but for now tobi is tobi... we will know sooner or later anyway lol :)
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@ 153
just stop this is a bad topic to bring up so try leaving it alone.
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i nthink it madara brother. cuz as soon as he saw himhe agreed
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@ 154
i agree tobi is tobi or mardara until the mask is token off even though i strongly doubt tobi being obito for now until i get more prof other than only seeing his right eye. for now i'm going with what kishi is giving us
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thats what i said 156 see it could be his brother
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@orlie 154
well, actually, for now (according to manga) tobi = madara, BUT, as you said, it can change pretty easily.
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@157
oh lol i got alot of more proof than just an eye but lets forget it for now lol.
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@156 and 157
OR IT COULD BE OBITO!!!! O_o
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you guys are wrong, I'm pretty sure it's spongebob kabuto summons, lol
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you guys are all wrong, I'm pretty sure kabuto summons spongebob
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@ 160
in the past this topic has made me mad but i'm willing to hear your proof, and off with any one else who does not want to hear it.
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do you guys think sasuke is really a good guy cos he showed he still cares for naruto when he wouldnt let tobi go until he heard what naruto had to say and with this new power (ems) he will betray tobi and help fight tobi with naruto and die against him what do you guys think?
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@164
ok i wont even post it i will just tell u in what precition i post it lol...
prediction 487 post 23 and 25.
like i say... the theory have holes since is just a theory... but im sure my Links can be very accurate. :)
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nebla
yeah i think he is a good guy and deep inside of him is calling naruto for help :)
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yes because sponge bob can kill madara easy thats so right i knew it
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What do you think of Kisame then? What will he do with his new intel on Lightning?
And what will happen with samehanda? will it help kisame or betray him? will he kill Raikage?
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I wonder what is the connection between Zetzu and Tobi. It seems like there is something more to it. The summon has to be someone powerful like the first.
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do you guys really think he has more good in him? for sasuke there is no turning back he is a criminal wanted all over the naruto world. even naruto knows they have to fight to the death. sasuke just wanted to hear him out because he saw that naruto was as strong has him when they exchanged fist, and even worst he was going blind at that point. thats why he asked for his brother's eyes.
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this will be one long arc with tons of fights. as for kabuto he will die in the war before getting to sasuke, by who? maybe kakashi thats why kishi said this will be his year i can't say, thats just my prediction. as for kisame i think samehanda will betray him. i just wonder about killer bee's tattoo and why it says iron? kinda like darui has tattoos of water and lighting and he has storm release what do you guys think?
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@171
IMO, sasuke wanted to hear naruto because sasuke knows that naruto is the only person in naruto world that understands him, and that knows the same kind of pain, but they have different ideologies.
So sasuke sees naruto as his exact opposite, so naruto is the only "thing" preventing him to fulfill his goals.
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@ 173 i agree. naruto and sasuke are exact opposite. :)
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well im off, later ppl have fun! :)
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Kabuto wants Sasuke because he wants to take his sharingan.
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@ 176
no because Sasuke killed Orochimaru.
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@2. Your grammar sucks. Please learn how to type or how to make complete sentences
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176 and 177. but do you guys think kabuto can fight sasuke with his puppets or on his own. im pretty sure sasuke can handle kabuto on his own but the summons are different. so what do you guys think...... please forward your comments....
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@ 178
lmfao hahahahahahahahahahaha thats the only thing i thought when I 1st found this site. hehe
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i think that Kabuto is shit strong. he surly surpassed Orochimaru. And Sasuke would struggle with the fight if it were to happen but like i said in 172. I Kabuto will fight Kakashi, because Kishi foreshadowed this in part one showinwing Kabuto to be on par with Kakashi. plus both have gotten stronger since then.
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I doubt Kabuto would Summon Jiriya until he fought naruto.
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There's another possibility.
The person in the coffin could be Madara's Brother, and he doesn't want his brother to be brought back, either out of respect for his brother, or b/c he can tell Sasuke that Madara killed him for his Eye. That would mean he would no longer have Sasuke, anyway.
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@178
I believe that was google translation.... and who trusts google translation when it comes to the mangas?
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@178
I believe they used google translater. Hardly their fault, but I know what you mean xD
(btw, sorry if i have posted twice about 178 )
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@185
yes I had posted twice.
sorry im a bit tired, and impatient. Maybe i should take my own advice and refresh before posting again xD
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So, what do you guys think about 183?
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@187
Maybe out of respect if anything me thinks? Them brothers cared for each other deep down.
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@ 187
I doubt that because he shouldn't be in shock it has to be something bigger like so6p.
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maybe he summon the 4th hokage =)
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Orlie #6
The same thing popped up in my mind too, the edo tenseied someone, it is madara, there is no one Toby should fear, even if it is the first or even if it is the 4th it has no meaning, even if Tobi is Obito he has no reason to be scared if it is the 4th, but if kabuto can summon the real madara that will mean he is an imitator and he will loose Sasuke's trust.
If my conclusion is right than it is 100% that he is not Madara i mean Tobi
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@ 190 and 191 Wrong
190 all the dead hokage's souls are in the dead demon consuming seal.
191 I doubt Kishi would go that route.
it might be some one we don't even know.
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it's minato becasue tobi is kushina.
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i think that might be the original uchiha madara
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Someone pls tell me how this edo tensei works? How the hell kabuto got nagato's body. It is with Konan. So it means Konan is dead or what? I think he can't use kekken gen kai through edo tensei can he? It would be non sense if he could use the rinnegan through nagato's body. Pls someone answer me
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nice comment 191 hikaru. very possible its utp's idol --- madara-sama
sorry utp you lose
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or madara's brother
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im new here, so hello everyone...
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hahaha good one #49
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@ 191
I also think this theory is wrong because when Tobi took off his mask in front of kisame, He recognized madara immediately. But i'm also interested in how edo tensei works. How can kabuto summon itachi or even nagato? How this jutsu works? He can't have their jutsus. He cant use rinnegan or sharingan through edo tensei cuz in that case this whole manga dont worth more than a piece of shit.
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